PHASE II REPORT
TODD FAMILY DNA PROJECT
Detailed Discussion
TO: All Those Todds who Participated in the Phase I and II Todd DNA Project
FR: Richard McMurtry
DATE: May 2005; minor revisions July 2006
I am very pleased to send you the results of Phase II of the Todd DNA Project. Without your support and interest, these results would never have been possible!
This is the detailed report which is intended for those who have already read the summary report.
The detailed discussion of the Phase II results focuses on the following families in the order given here. Feel free to read these in order or to skip directly to the family that most interests you!
Order of Discussion
1. Hanover Twp,
Lancaster Co Todds and the Rowan Co, NC Todds
What a surprise to find that the DNA of a descendant of John Sharp Todd 1724-1798 and Samuel Todd d 1759 of Rowan Co., NC were perfect matches with the DNA of a descendant of James Todd 1712-1783 of Hanover Township, Lancaster Co, PA!
Previous researchers had assumed that John Sharp Todd was
the son of Joshua Todd and grandson of Joseph Todd d 1699
Recent research has shown that in 1749, a land warrant to
Brice Ennis of
The DNA results and recent local records research support portions of the family tradition and refutes others.
The tradition was published by Dr. Wm Henry Egle in 1898 in Egle’s “Notes and Queries”. Egle wrote:
“For much of the following record of the descendants of an
early settler in
The portions of the tradition – namely that an uncle John went south and brothers Cornelius and Hugh went to North Carolina – probably came from David Todd; it does not seem likely that Dr. Egle would have invented these traditions.
It appears that the “uncle” John that “went south about
1750” may have been John Sharp Todd b 1724 who settled in Rowan Co. by 1759,
though his birth year would suggest that John was the brother of James b 1712,
not his uncle. The “two brothers” of
James who “went to
The portion of the family tradition that has been refuted is
the tradition that identified Hugh Todd who died in Lancaster Co in 1772 as being the
father of James Todd b 1712 of
How can we explain how Dr. Egle could report a Hugh Todd d 1772 with wife Jeanette being the father of James Todd 1712-1783? The most likely explanation is that David Todd reported that James Todd 1712-1783 was the son of a Hugh Todd and Dr Egle assumed this Hugh corresponded with the probate index entry for a Hugh Todd d 1772 with Jeanettte Todd as administrator. This assumes that Dr. Egle saw the index entry but not the will. This is plausible because Dr. Egle was heavily involved in research in Lancaster Co records because of his interest in local history, but an abstract of Lancaster Co probate records made in the 1890s listing Hugh’s will as “missing”. So Dr Egle could have seen the index entry but not seen the will and jumped to conclusions that this Hugh was the father of James and that Jeanette the adminstrator was the wife of Hugh. These conclusions have been shown to be incorrect.
.
2.
In Phase I, we determined that 2 of the participants from
the Benjamin Todd 1749-1823 line, and the participant from the John Todd md 1791 Mary Jarman line were
exact 23 marker matches for two participants known to be from the Anne Arundel
Co Todds. A
participant from the John Todd d 1809 Bourbon
As mentioned in the summary report, in Phase II, we
increased from 23 to 42 the number of genetic markers for a sample from each of
the three lines – Benjamin Todd 1749-1823 (
The results were surprising. The additional markers were identical – supporting the theory that all three of these lines are closely related, but not giving us any differences that would enable us to distinguish between lines.
Future Efforts
It is also possible that the two markers that the John Todd d 1809 line differ from the others may prove to be useful markers. However, unless we get at least a second sample from another branch of the John Todd d 1809 line, we can not be sure that the sample we have is representative of the John Todd d 1809 line.
ONE POSSIBLE SCENARIO TO BE TESTED
Thomas Todd d 1671
I. Thomas Todd d 1677
A. Lancelot Todd ca 1674- 1735
md prior to 1701 to Elizabeth Rockhold
1. Thomas Todd md Sophia
(a) Elizabeth Todd, b.
(b)Lancelott Todd, b. 28 May 1734 d 1759
(c) Rachel Todd, b.
(d)
Ruth Todd, b.
(e) Thomas Todd, b.
(1) ??John Todd b abt 1767 (John W. Todd sample)
(2) ??Thomas
(3) ??Samuel
(f) Pegge Todd, b.
?? John Todd b 1747 d 1809 Bourbon Co (Jim
Todd sample)
?? Benjamin Todd b 1749 1823 (
2. Lancelot Todd b ca 1715 md 1735 to Rachel Warfield in Anne Arundel Co.
(a) Alexander
Todd, b.
(1) Benjamin Todd 1759/60-1841=>Columbiana Co, OH
(2) Basil Todd 1762-?=>Beaver Co,
PA=>Columbiana Co OH (John C. Todd sample)
(3) Elizabeth Todd 1765-1783- md Henry Barrington
(4) Samuel Todd 1765-1785-1844=>Beaver Co, PA
(5) Alexander Todd 1766-1787-1810=>Fayette Co. PA
(6) Joshua Todd 1768-1792- (Edwin M Todd sample)
(7) Rachel Todd 1773-1842 md Jacob Biddle
(8) Warfield Todd 1775-1796-1837
(9) Susannah Todd md Wm Hambleton
(10) Lucy Todd
(11) Eleanor Todd md Zachariah Condon
(b) Lancelot
Todd, b.
Lynda Bouchonnet
reports that Lancelot Jr d
By first wife Rachel b ca 1742 QC
(1)
Sarah
(2)
Nicholas
(3)
Lancelot
(4) Phillip 8 Feb 1766 (other sources report marriage in 1795 to Elizabeth Goulding)
(5) Thomas
The next round of testing will tell us whether the DNA testing can distinguish this type of difference between the various branches of the family.
3. Revised
results of the search for the parentage of John Todd 1750-1813 and John Todd
1746-1829
We have been trying to see if
DNA would help us connect the John Todd 1750-1813 of Shelby Co Ky and the John Todd 1746-1829 of
VA-KY-TN to either the William Todd of Augusta Co, VA family or the Andrew Todd
d 1791 of
The Phase II samples provided
a second sample for the Augusta Co VA Todds and a
second sample for the John Todd 1750-1813 Shelby Co, KY family. We have not yet been able to secure a second
sample from the Andrew Todd d 1791 line.
The results showed that
descendants of two sons of William Todd 1700-1760/70 (namely, Samuel Todd
1739-1813 and Low Todd 1723-1792) had the same genetic pattern. So it is likely that their brother John Todd
had the same pattern. We find that John
Todd 1746-1829 had this same pattern which makes him a candidate for being the
John Todd who was son of William Todd.
When we combine this with the
genealogical evidence, the DNA and the genealogical evidence support each
other.
One piece of the genealogical
evidence is that John Todd 1746-1829 in his will referred to Robert Houston as
his relative; Robert Houston was the great-grandson of William Todd by William’s
daughter Sarah who married John Houston.
Hence, John was a relation to Robert Houston because John’s sister Sarah
was Robert’s grandmother.
The second piece of evidence
indicates that John Todd 1746-1829 was not a son of Andrew Todd contrary to what
some family historians had assumed.. Levi Todd wrote a letter in 1784 that
expressed regret that John Todd son of Andrew had not become a settler and
would likely not be able to get land by any other means than by purchase which
was not very economically profitable.
This could not be referring to John Todd 1746-1829 because this John
Todd had already filed surveys in 1782 and 1783 for 450 acres of land.
The Phase II samples also
showed that two of the sons of John Todd (1750-1813) of Shelby Co, KY had a key
genetic marker that matched a descendant of Andrew Todd d 1791, but didn’t
match the DNA of the descendants of William Todd 1700 -1760/70.
Again, when we combine the DNA results with
the genealogical evidene, the DNA and the
genealogical evidence support each other.
We know that John Todd of
Shelby Co KY administered the will of John Gregg in 1791 in Jefferson Co. And we have recently discovered that John
Gregg lived in
See essay, “Sorting Out the Origins of the John Todds
of
4. Northern
Augusta Co and Montgomery/Tazewell Co, VA Todds
The northern Augusta Co Todds and the Montgomery/Tazewell Co, VA Todds are an exact match to each other and to the Augusta Co, Todds when we consider only the first 25 genetic markers. However, the Montgomery/Tazewell Co Todds have two markers diffent from the Augusta Co Todds when 37 markers are examined. This suggests a more distant relationships. At this point, all we can say is that it looks like all three of these groups are related.
To refine our results will require the most expensive Family Tree DNA test ($200) for at least one member of each of the three families.
It may be preferable to begin with more genealogical research in the counties where these Todds lived, including York Co where Andrew Todd lived in 1779-1783 before coming To VA.
We find the two families together only once. In 1787, James Todd and Andrew Todd appear on
a tax list in Rockingham Co, VA. Then
Andrew moved by 1789 to Montgomery Co, VA and James moved to Augusta Co by
1791. Andrew died in
We have also found some mysterious clues that links Andrew Todd to York Co, PA and makes us wonder if he might be related to the Philadelphia Todds via a branch that went to York Co.
We find an Andrew Todd on the Dover Twp, York Co tax lists
in 1779, 1781 and 1783. In 1781, he is
listed as a single man and in 1783 shows up as a married man with no
children. This looks very much like the
Andrew Todd who married Elizabeth Sipes in 1782 in
Frederick Co. MD.
It is possible that the records of
5. The
The DNA has been helpful both for sorting out the relationships between the six different branches of Somerset Co Todds and for showing that any connection to the Philadelphia Co Todds must be a fairly distant one.
With respect to relationships between the Somerset Co Todds, we know there were two different branches of the
family because two of the lines were John Todds who
could not have been brothers – John Todd 1739-1823 and John Todd
1729-1802. The DNA shows that John Todd
1739-1823 was more closely related to James Todd d 1781 of
With respect to the relationships with the Philadelphia Co Todds, it has been tempting to assume a close relationship because (1) the Philadelphia Co Todds had a tradition of having lived east of PA before coming to PA, (2) four of the five names that appears in New Jersey also appear in the Philadelphia/Chester Co records, namely, William, John, Robert and Andrew in Philadelphia/Chester County records and William, John, Robert, Andrew and James in the Somerset Co NJ, and (3) the ages of their adulthoods seem to match.
The Janeway
Store records in
However, the DNA shows that the New Jersey Todds had a sufficiently different pattern (they are 3 to 4 mutuations different from the Philadelphia/Augusta Co Todds) that they are NOT likely to be close cousins though they may be related.
This does not mean that the William, Robert and Andrew are
not the individuals that lived in
With respect to the fate of the John Todd who appears with
William in the Abingdon Presbyterian Church records in
6. Fleming Co
KY connection to the
Thomas Todd (1781-1826) of Fleming Co, KY shows up in Fleming Co by ___. The only clue to his origin is that the DNA of this family is only two markers different than two branches of the New Jersey Todds.
More research is needed to determine the degree of
connection between the Fleming Co family and the
7. Other Todd
Families
See next page for discussion of the chart of the genetic distance between all the major families in the Todd Family DNA project so far.
The table below displays the genetic distance between the 13 family groups in the Todd Family DNA project. The first column shows the family names. The first row has an abbreviation for each family listed in the first column. The number at the intersection of each column and row is the genetic distance between the two families.
For example, the third row labelled Northern Augusta Co Todds intersects the first column for the PA (Philadelphia Co Todds) with a zero at the intersection. This means that the genetic distance is zero which means there are no genetic differences between the two families. This also means that they are very closely related. Similarly, the third row (for the Northern Augusta Co Todds) intersects the fourth column labelled NJ (for New Jersey Todds) with a “3”. This means there is a genetic distance of 3 between the two families. This means they are not extremely closely related but are not necessarily unrelated. The third row (Northern Augusta Co Todds) and 7th column labelled AA (for Anne Arundel Co Todds) has a 29. This means there distance is very large and are not related at all.
Here is what the table tells us:
Distance
Matrix |
|
Ph |
Ta |
N Aug |
|
NJ |
|
Fl |
NC |
AA |
Dor |
Lanc |
|
Jos |
Det |
Eng |
Mass |
|
|
5 |
12 |
14 |
|
17 |
|
21 |
22 |
26 |
32 |
34 |
38 |
41 |
43 |
44 |
45 |
|
5 |
- |
0 |
0 |
|
3 |
|
10 |
7 |
29 |
26 |
28 |
28 |
46 |
29 |
31 |
18 |
Tazewell
Co, VA |
12 |
0 |
- |
0 |
|
3 |
|
4 |
7 |
29 |
26 |
28 |
28 |
32 |
29 |
31 |
18 |
Northern
Augusta Co, VA |
14 |
0 |
0 |
- |
|
3 |
|
3 |
7 |
29 |
26 |
28 |
28 |
23 |
29 |
27 |
18 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
17 |
3 |
3 |
3 |
|
- |
|
2 |
8 |
31 |
28 |
26 |
30 |
25 |
31 |
29 |
18 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Fleming
Co |
21 |
10 |
4 |
3 |
|
2 |
|
- |
6 |
29 |
28 |
26 |
28 |
45 |
29 |
32 |
20 |
Mechlenburg Co NC |
22 |
10 |
10 |
10 |
|
10 |
|
8 |
- |
29 |
29 |
30 |
33 |
30 |
33 |
32 |
20 |
Anne
Arundel Co MD |
26 |
29 |
29 |
29 |
|
31 |
|
29 |
31 |
- |
6 |
21 |
12 |
12 |
10 |
11 |
27 |
Dorchester
Co, MD |
32 |
26 |
26 |
26 |
|
28 |
|
28 |
32 |
6 |
- |
24 |
15 |
13 |
11 |
12 |
28 |
Lancaster
Co PA |
34 |
28 |
28 |
28 |
|
26 |
|
26 |
27 |
21 |
24 |
- |
25 |
28 |
23 |
26 |
24 |
Washington
Co PA |
38 |
28 |
28 |
28 |
|
30 |
|
28 |
33 |
12 |
15 |
25 |
- |
8 |
8 |
7 |
25 |
Joseph d
1699 PA |
41 |
46 |
32 |
23 |
|
26 |
|
45 |
30 |
12 |
13 |
28 |
8 |
- |
11 |
12 |
22 |
|
43 |
28 |
29 |
29 |
|
31 |
|
29 |
33 |
10 |
11 |
23 |
8 |
11 |
- |
9 |
26 |
|
44 |
30 |
31 |
27 |
|
30 |
|
32 |
32 |
11 |
12 |
26 |
7 |
12 |
9 |
- |
26 |
Rowley
Mass |
45 |
18 |
18 |
18 |
|
18 |
|
20 |
20 |
27 |
28 |
24 |
25 |
22 |
26 |
26 |
- |
CONCLUSION
In conclusion, the DNA testing has enabled us to show connections between families that we would not have otherwise been able to connect. We have shown families that are not connected to the major families we have studied and hence helped to point researchers to look elsewhere for their family of origin. We have also shown how using DNA in connection with genealogical evidence can support deductions as to family relationships.
Along the way, we have done some research in primary records that has helped various families to better understand their origins including disproving parts of early family traditions and showing a more accurate picture of these families.
Thanks again to all those who have helped with this project!