TF 141 The
Family of James G. Todd b 1760-1770 d 1849
Came from
Rev October 2008 , December 2010
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Note that later DNA research showed that the Joseph Todd who
appears in the 1804 tax list was probably a brother of James G. Todd and that
he went to KY about 1810, settling in
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James G. Todd (1770-1849) of Russell and Washington Co VA appears to have been born in New York, had a sojourn in North Carolina in the 1790s as a young man, then migrated to Russell Co VA about 1802 and to Washington Co, VA about 1832 dying there in 1849, almost 80 years old. He was a farmer and a mill owner. His long life was characterized by one marriage and several liaisons with neighboring women from which came numerous children. Some of these he provided well for in his will and others received a very limited inheritance or nothing at all.
His birth year is based on census records: the 1830 census says 1760-70 and the 1840
census says 1770-1780. His birth place
in
Just before James Todd arrived in Russell Co or perhaps at
the same time, Joseph Todd showed up in the tax lists of 1801. DNA
of a descendant of this Joseph matches descendants of James G. Todd, hence he is definitely kin, and most likely a younger
brother to James. This Joseph married around 1800 to Charity Henninger, probably a daughter of the Henningers
of Washington County. In 1810, he and his family left
James Todd arrived in Russell Co
A few years after Joseph’s birth, James had a liaison with a
neighbor Catherine (Kirk) Trout, widow of Phillip Trout d 1807 and fathered a
daughter Elizabeth born about 1813 or 1815.
Census records and death record give her approximate birth year. She may be the
Shortly after having fathered
The only other evidence for linking Lewis Todd to James G Todd is that DNA from Lewis Todd’s family matches that of William Todd’s family. So they share a common ancestor and could be brothers. There is also some geographic evidence. Lewis Todd married in 1837 in Floyd Co KY where members of the Trout family had migrated by 1830 and where Elizabeth Trout/Todd Grizzel settled by 1840. We have not yet found Lewis in the census in 1830 but suspect he is living with kin.
The assumption that Lewis Trout and William Trout became accepted by their father and took the Todd name is just a conjecture. We have no firm evidence to support this though it is a plausible interpretation of the evidence we do have. William Todd b 1815 inherited the family farm but Lewis was not even mentioned in James Todd’s 1849 will.
There is some evidence that Lewis was living with James Todd
in 1820. The 1820 census indicates that
James Todd had 3 young males under 10 living with him in 1820 which could
include Lewis, William and an unknown third brother. There were a series of guardians for the
Trout family: On 6 October 1812, Henry
Dickinson was appointed guardian of all 5 Trout children. Then on 6 June 1815,
Edward Campbell was appointed guardian of all 5 Trout children. Finally, in 1817, Christopher Chaney, assumed son of
Catherine Trout by Abel Chaney of
Lucy Todd, assumed to be mother of Joseph b 1808, appears in
the tax records in 1824 (when Joseph would have been 16) and is later found in
the 1850 census living with this Joseph.
She was definitely separated from him by 1824, but we don’t know when
between 1808 and 1824, she did so. She
may have separated about the time or before he took up with Caty
Trout. As widow of James Todd, she
successfully challenged the will’s bequest of land in
James’ may have had a daughter Elizabeth born between 1822
and 1826, based on his mentioning her in his will, as Elizabeth Gobble, wife of
Samuel Gobble. He would not have had two
daughters named
In 1828, he fathered a daughter named Virginia Powers with a
17 year old young woman, Catherine Powers b 1811,
daughter of Peter Powers of Little Moccassin Gap, on
the
In 1831, he appears to have fathered Mary Newberry who he explicitly identifies in his will as “my daughter” presumably to assure that the bequest was not challenged by his other kin. The only Mary Newberry in the 1850 census who was in the area was Mary Newberry daughter of Elizabeth Newberry who in 1831 was living in Scott County with her husband Henry, about 15 miles SW of his home in Russell Co.
By 1832, we find that James had moved to
His will makes land bequests to
William (his plantation), Catherine Powers (his mill) and Mary Newberry (his
land in
There is one Todd that might be related to James G Todd for which we don’t have enough information to definitively identify.
· Jane Todd b 1780-1790 who was in Russell Co in 1817 with a young infant but no apparent husband.
· A John Todd bastard son of Elizabeth Todd was bound out in 1839.
(See will of James Todd on page 15)
The death record of Elizabeth Todd Grizzel’s
son John Grizzel in KY which identified his mother as
Elizabeth Todd)
indicated a birth in 1812 which is too early for her to have been
child of Gaspar born 1797. Since Sarah Jane Grizzel
was born in Nov 1829 in KY,
Law Order Bk 6 Pg 3 and 6
December 2, 1817
.....accusations of being a person of bad fame and for creating disturbances between husbands and wives, term of 12 months and a day or $50 security. not being able to find such security, remands to jail for term until security given.
December 3, 1817
Life of an infant now at the breast of the defendant may be perhaps endangered by her imprisionment. released until further noticed.
Lewis does not appear in the 1830 census with James and we
know not of his whereabouts until he marries in Floyd Co KY in 1837. The 1850 census states his birth as
So in sum, this appears the most reasonable conjecture to fit together these Todd family members. However, keep in mind, that it is mostly conjecture without enough evidence to be sure of it.
The mysterious Gaspar Todd of NC has some loose ends that are not possible to flesh out.
Gaspar Todd 1797 -1871 was buried
in a Moravian cemetery in Stokes Co/later Forsyth Co NC along with his first
wife Anna Susannah Folts 1798-1849 and an unknown
Caroline Todd 1822. We suspect this was
a daughter which reflects his presence in NC by 1822. He does not appear in the
The 1830 census for Gaspar shows two unknown males one born 1800-1810 and another born 1815-1820 and the 1840 census shows only one of these listed as born 1800-1810. We suspect these are brothers or nephews rather than sons based on their ages and Gaspar’s age making Gaspar too young to have fathered them. His estate settlement lists only his step children by his second wife Rachel. There is no record in Stokes or Forsyth Co of these males. The census could be interpreted to mean that the older male was born 1810 and appeared in the census as b 1800-1810 in 1830 and 1810-1820 in 1840 and that the younger male b 1815-1820 in the 1830 census was not in the household in 1840. Or the census could be interpreted that the older male 1800-1810 was not in the 1840 census and that the younger male appeared in 1830 as b 1815-1820 and in 1840 as b 1810-1820. In either case, neither of these Todds left records.
Ibelieve there was a Nathan Todd in the Moravian records around 1804 but I have misplaced these records.
Detailed Discussion
James G. Todd b 1760-1770
1. (Possible son Gaspar per will of James G Todd, possibly Gaspar b 1797 of NC)
Md (1) Lucy _____ b 1779-1783
2. Joseph b 1808 (based on will and estate settlement with Lucy LNU
3.
4. Lewis b 1814 (w Caty or Barbara Trout)
5. William b 1815 (w Caty or Barbara Trout)
6.
7. Virginia Powers b 1829/30 (w Catherine Powers b 1811 VA (dau of Peter Powers of Little Mocassin Gap Washington Co), md Robert Fleenor 1856
8. Sarah Powers b 1833? (possible daughter with Catherine Powers)
9. Mary Newberry b 1831 (with Elizabeth Newberry b 1806 ? Wife of Henry Newberry
of
Jane Todd b 1780-1790,
Infant b abt 1817
Elizabeth (Todd) Gobble is listed in the various censuses as born 1822, 1824, 1826 though one internet source reports an exact date in 1828. Since she married in 1842, the earlier dates seems more like.
Westley Fleenor, brother of Robert Fleenor husband of Virginia Powers of the will, lived not far from James G. Todd’s son William in 1850.
James Todd moved to Little Moccasin Gap by 1832 and been close to Catherine Powers though we can not find her in the census in 1850 but perhaps she was the woman and her daughter the young female living with James in 1840.
The Sarah Powers mentioned in the will remains a mystery. There is a Sarah Powers age 17 in the 1850 census in Russell Co living with Michael Lark. There is also a Sarah Gobble who married a Powers. Sarah was reported to be a Gobble and a second cousin once removed of the Samuel Gobble who married Elizabeth Todd. However, it is unclear why he would have bequeathed a part of his estate to Sarah. Sarah and her husband were living next door to Robert and Virginia Fleenor in 1880. The young girl seems a more likely beneficiary.
Law Book 9 Page 96:
1829
Present Larkin Herndon, absent Robert Fugate gent justices. Elizabeth Trout an infant, and orphan of Katherine Trout decd., being of the age of 14 years, and upwards came into court and made choice of John Grizzle for her guardian, which choice the court approves of, and thereupon the said John Grizzle with William Grizzle his security entered into and acknowledged a bond according to law in the sum on One Hundred dollars.
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It would be valuable to get the deeds for the sale of land by Catherine Powers and Mary (Newberry) Bond, presumably in Washington Co, though possibly in Russell Co., VA.
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James G Todd 1820 census Russell
This says James had three sons b 1810-1820. If one of these is Joseph b 1808 and one is William b 1815, then there is a missing son. And that James is born prior to 1775.
James G Todd 1830 Russell Co VA 000100001-10001
This says James had only one son born 1810-1815, presumably
William. The other either having died or
serving as an apprentice or living with an estranged wife. He also has a daughter born 1820-1830,
presumably
James G Todd 1840 Washington Co
James G Todd 000000001-1110001
Here he is 60-70 =>born 1770-1780 with a wife
40--50=>1790-1800, son willliam lives next door
with his wife, young son and daughter, otherwise no sons; and three daughters
born 1825-30, 1830-35, 1835-40. These
daughters do not seem to be consistent with the rest of the
marriages/separations, though
James G Todd arrived in Russell Co in 1804. Census of his son William says James was born in NY and mother in PA.
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James G. Todd
(Wm 1850, 1860=Washington Co, VA; 1880 Fentress Co, TN)
William TODD b 1815 VA NY PA md Amanda TODD b 1821 VA NY PA VA
Algerion TODD b 1838 VA VA VA
Sarah TODD b 1839 VA VA VA
Catherine TODD DauL (38) 1842 VA Keeping House VA VA
William TODD (18 ) 1862 VA VA VA
Stephen TODD B 1870 VA md Gracie b 1870
Phillip Arthur 1919
Gracie
Tinna E 1900
Martin L. TODD B 1873 TN
(Martin L 44 (1876) TN TN VA md Rose B b 1876
Mary 1897/1893
(Nancy E. TODD (18) 1862 Other TN TN TN )
James
1842 md Mary b 1835 VA fb
Sarah b 1862 VA
Josephene b 1873 TN
Issac N. b 1844 md Alezann b 1845 VA (r 1880 North Fork, Washington Co, VA; 1920 Fentress Co, TN)
Martha J. 1866
Daniel A. 1868 md Sallie E. Kestner b 1876
Bonnie L. 1894
Gale H (son) 1900
Martha 1845
Stephen 1847
(Fentress 1880, 1900, 1910)
Stephen TODD 1850 VA VA VA (1) Tabitha Jane TODD B 1855 VA vA VA 10 ch/8 alive
Daniel R 1868/1870
TN
Thomas 1902
Several girls
Martha TODD 1870 TN VA VA
Andrew TODD 1873 TN VA VA
Wilburn E. 1893 md 1920
Henry E. 1896
Emma E 1903
Clary U 1906
Jo___ia 1909
Joanna TODD 1874 TN VA VA
Jacson TODD 1876 TN VA VA
Amanda TODD 1879 TN VA VA
Bruno W. 1882 md Verna
Earl 1904/5
Claud 1907/8
Herman 1909/10 (see below)
Lester/John Lester 1911 d 2 May 1999 Harriman, Roane Co, TN
Wilma md Howard Cofer (Rockwood)
Peggy md James McCullough (Rockwood)
Glenda md Ken Barnes (Sweetwater: see below)
Donna md Cunningham (Harriman)
John
Lester (dec’d) md Pauline (
Hobert md Barbara (rockwood) (see below)
Steve md Rosemary (Harriman)
Nina 1914
Willis 1915
Md Helen?
Luther I/Ira L. 1892
Charlie L. 1916
Willis E. 1850
Rachel 1852
William
1854
Viola B 1893
John M 1895
Maggie 1901
Lloyd ? Honbia? 1903
Ruth 1905
Altha P 1909
Curtis A 1911
Earnest L 1913
Mary 1856
Amanda 1860
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Other Fentress Co, Todds
Margarett TODD B 1850 VA VA ---
James TODD 1869Y VA VA VA
` Franklin TODD 1872 TN VA VA
Nancy TODD 1874 TN VA VA
Thomas TODD 1878 tN VA VA
Calvin TODD 1878 W 2 TN VA VA
______(probably James G) md Lucy b 1783/1779
Joseph Todd
b 1808 md
Charity 1834
James
1835 md
Albert F 1858 md Mary
William 1879
(Henry Jesse b 1845)
Robert 1861
Joseph 1865
James 1867 (James M 1868?)
Alda (daugthter in law)
James A. 1916 (grandson)
Charles J. 1836
Obedience 1837
Catherine 1839
Cynthia 1841
Joseph 1845
Elihu 1849 md Margaret ( no children in 1900)
Ellen 1844
Russell 1880
Melvin 1867 Eliza 1865
Lacy B Mar 1891 (son)
Brother
Bessie 1888
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Obit for John Lester Todd
Deceased Name: TODD, REV. JOHN LESTER
TODD, REV. JOHN LESTER, SR. - age 87, of the
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Date: May 3, 1999
Edition: Final
Page: A9
Copyright (c) 1999 The
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1815 Russell
http://www.rootsweb.com/~varussel/census/1815taxassessments.html
JAMES TODD, one farm on the waters of Ceder [Cedar] Creek, 70 acres having thereon one dwelling house of wood, one story, 20 feet by 18 feet, one stable, valued at $140.
CATY TROUT, one farm on the headwaters of Little Ceder [Cedar] Creek, 150 acres having thereon one dwelling house of wood, one story, 15 feet square, valued at $150.
JOHN PRESTON, different tracts of land containing 830 acres valued at $800, no locations given.
ROBERT PRESTON, different tracts of land containing 3779 acres valued at $630, no locatons given..
WALTER PRESTON, two tracts containing 1092 acres valued at $500, no locations given; "not entered in the non resident book."
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MARY ELIZABETH TODD WAS BORN 06 DEC 1828 IN RUSSELL
*This would have made her 14 years old at marriage and
contradicts the census records which report birth 1822 to 1826.
THERE ALSO WAS A GASPER TODD (NOT A COMMON NAME) BORN IN 1797.
From Frances Lancaster
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I CAME UPON A SITE OF
From
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1870 Census North Fork, Washington Co, VA
Fleenor, Robert R 48 b
Powers, Catherine 59 b
So this would mean, if the Powers family historians are correct, that Catherine never married and that she was born 1811, dau of Peter Powers who lived in Moccasin Gap, Washington Co not far from James Todd in Russell Co.
1880
Robert R. FLEENOR Self M Male W 57 VA Farmer VA VA
Virginia FLEENOR Wife M Female W 50 VA Keeping House VA VA (b 1830)
Levie E. FLEENOR Mother W Female W 78 VA VA VA
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Source Information:
Census Place
Family History Library Film 1255394
NA Film Number T9-1394
Page Number 183D
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Samuel GOBBLE Self M Male W 62 VA Farmer MD VA
Samuel C. GOBBLE Son S Male W 23 VA Farm Laborer VA VA
Sintha J. GOBBLE Dau S Female W 15 VA VA VA
Martin E. GOBBLE Son S Male W 12 VA Works On Farm VA VA
Charlie M. GOBBLE Son S Male W 8 VA VA VA
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Source Information:
Census Place
Family History Library Film 1255394
NA Film Number T9-1394
Page Number 181D
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Mary Newberry 1850 census
Elizabeth J Newberry 44 b Russell Co
Jasper P.A. Newberry 18 b Scott Co (1832)
Forset N 16 b ditto (1834)
Lucy I/S 12 b ditto (b 1838)
Esther 10 b ditto (b1840)
Mary E Newberry 19 b ditto (b 1831)
Eliza McGee 19 b ditto
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1840 Scott Co VA
Elizabeth Newberry 1112-211001 (Eliz 30-40=>1800-1810; eldest sons b 1820-25, m 1825-30, m 1830-35 (Jasper) m 1835-40( Forest?)
1830 Scott Co Va
Henry Newberry 110001-20001 (Henry b 1790-1800 wife b 1800-1810; m b 1820-25; m b 1825-30, 2xf b 1820-30)
1820 Scott Co Va
Robert Newberry 401010-03010
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Mary Newberry (abt 1835 Wise Co) md 1856 Willam H Buck Bond (George Bond & Lucy Powers)
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One of the gaps in our research is that we have no deed records of
what happened to the land bequeathed to Catherine Powers and the land bequeathed to Mary Newberry.
Mary Newberry married W. H. Bond and hence the land was probably
sold by him or the Bond family at some point.
Finding such a deed would prove whether or not the Mary Newberry
identified as the daughter of Elizabeth Newberry was indeed the daughter of
James Todd or whether there is another Mary Newberry that we haven’t located as
yet.
MARY ELIZABETH BOND, SLANT VIRGINIA
Mary Elizabeth Bond was born in June 1831 and she departed this life November
the 23rd, 1925.
She was united in holy matrimony to Rev,W.H.
Bond, a preacher of the Methodist Prostestant church,
who rode the mountains of
To this union were born six boys and three girls. Mrs
Bond professed faith in Christ in early life and lived a devoted Christian
life. She was a member of the
May God's blessings rest with them all.
R.M. Eller
Pastor of
Per Rootsweb Aaronodette@hotmail.com 2002
Henry Clay Newberry married Elizabeth Dickerson in 1821 in Scott Co VA.
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HC Newberry had prior and subsequent wives to Permelia Ann Reynolds.He
evidently failed to mention this to Permelia when
they married;shortly after
they were married a young man about Permelia's age
appeared at thedoor asking
for Mr. Newberry. When Permelia asked his business he
responded thathe was
Mr. Newberry's oldest son. This supposedly was the first she hadheard about
any prior marriages. They later divorced. Both remarried; Permeliaat
least
twice. Henry Clay is supposed to be buried at
under
declaring the site of
there.
HC's marriage certificate states he married Permelia
on 15 jan 1847and that
HC was "of Withe (Wythe?) County.
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HI Tammy,
I think you're onto something. I think you have found all three of the Powers mentioned in the will of James G. Todd.
The Catherine Powers who married Reuben Powers
b 1814 was in Wise Co in 1860 and 1870 but in Russell Co in 1850. and in 1870 was still living with her children HIram, Olley/Oliver, John, Rhode
and
This seems to be a different Catherine Powers that the one in Washington Co in 1870 born 1811 VA even though she is the same age.
There are two Sarah Powers: One who is in Wise Co in 1870 b 1808 TN, and the other the wife of Henry Powers who is in Washington Co in 1850, 1860 and 1870 b VA 1809.
Virginia and Robert are living in Washington Co still in 1880 with Robert's mother Livie B b 1802 next door to Henry and Sarah.
So I would conclude that Sarah Powers of the will is Sarah b 1809 VA who married Henry Powers b 1804; that
Catherine is her sister-in-law b 1811 VA; and that
The work of Janet Powers Maune Email: budmaune@aol.com indicates that Henry Powers b 1808 was the brother of Catherine Powers b 1811. Sarah was Sarah Gobble, supposedly a second cousin once removed to Samuel Gobble who married Mary Elizabeth Todd.
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Hi Mindy,
You are doing `! Thanks so much for the will! and the estate record!
1. Please include Frances Lancaster are your email list as
she has done consdierable research on this family and
she (or her husband)is a definite descendant.
2.
Deeds Book 20, p 403 (could this be Washington Co?
29 October 1850..we..have laid off and assigned to Lucinda Todd, widow of James G Todd deceased, her dower in the said tract of land of which the said James G. Todd died possessed and willed to William Todd.
and
At a Court held for
Deeds, Russell Book 12, p 463
December 16, 1850, Lucy Todd, wife of James G Todd deceased sold 14-3/4 acres of land William W. H. Browning but in all reality about 22 acres for $10.00.
3. We very much need a copy of this marriage record you refer to. Is there any way you could get a copy of it?
4. It is beginning to look to me like James G. Todd and
Catherine Powers had a daughter Virginia. And the confusion of names is
either because James G was not married to Catherine or because of marriage
divorce or separation.
5. The deed books of Russell Co should/might have the sale of
6. I have attached another file of the Newberry's.
It looks to me like Mary Newberry b 1831 is the daughter of Elizabeth J.
(Dickson or Dickerson) Newberry and possibly James Todd. That Elizabeth
Newberry and her children (including Mary b 1831 and Jasper b 1832/3) were
living in Russell Co in 1850 census and the census shows that
IF James G Todd and Elizabeth Newberry had a child Mary
Newberry in 1831, then it was during the period that Henry and Elizabeth were
married.
7. So here is what it looks like to me, building on what Mindy and others have found and said:
James G. Todd b 1760-1770 (most likely 1770)
?Gasper b 1799 NC? (lived in Stokes Co NC)
Joseph b 1808 VA (mother Lucy b 1783)
Lewis 1814
William b 1815
Virginia b 1829 (mother Catherine Powers b 1811 VA dau of Peter Powers of Little Moccasin Gap, Washington Co VA) md Robert Fleenor 1856, r Washington Co VA 1860 & 1870
Sarah Powers b 1833
Mary b 1831 (mother Elizabeth (Dickson or Dickerson) Newberry b 1804 VA, abandoned (between 1837 and 1840) wife of Henry C. Newberry of Wythe and Scott Co Va). Mary md Rev W.H. Bond in 1855. Elizabeth Newberry was linving near W.H. and Mary E. Bond in 1860 in Wise Co, VA) Scott and Wise Co are just west and SW from Russell co.
DEbbie FErguson on Rootsweb reports the wives as: Lucinda UNK, Catherine Trout, and Elizabeth Kirk.
What we have constructed above is: Lucinda UNK b 1783,
Catherine Powers b 1811 and Elizabeth Dickerson
Newberry b 1804. So that is nice and consistent as far as first lines.It is too bad that Debbie's computer crashed or
perhaps we would have a better idea of where the wives' last names came
from.
Puzzles:
1. Kirk connection
I can not figure out who Elizabeth Kirk was. The Caty Kirk 1795 marriage to Phillip Trout d 1808 would make her born 1775-1780; so she is not the Catherine Powers b 1811, mother of Virginia, though Caty Kirk Trout is probalby the Caty Trout living near to James G. Todd in Russell Co in 1815. It is tempting to assert that Elizabeth Kirk is Elizabeth Newberry, but this would only work if Elizabeth Dickerson's maiden name were Kirk or if Dickson/dickerson is an error in the records of Carly Crisswell or whoever was the original source of this.
2. I still am not sure about Lewis.
James G Todd 1820 census Russell
This says James had three sons b
1810-1820. If one of these is Joseph b
1808 and one is William b 1815, then there is a missing son.
James G Todd 1830 Russell Co VA
000100001-10001
This says James had only one son
born 1815-1820, presumably William. The
other either having died or serving as an apprentice or living with an
estranged wife. He also has a daughter
born 1820-1830, presumably
Lewis could fit in here, but the 1830 census seems to have only one child. As we all know, the DNA will help with this one.
Richard
I also have an inventory and who bought what.
I will try to type this out later. Worth noting at first glance.
Joseph Todd purchased the Family Bible. The only thing from the estate he bought. (I KNOW I WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT IS MYSELF!!!!) I think this confirms that Joseph is his child.
Catherine Powers bought a lot of things like a bureau, two chairs, 1 chopping axe, 1 kettle, 1 oven, 1 pair of dog irons, candlesticks, 1 bed 1 bedstead 18 bushels of corn
There is another interesting listing: Virginia Todd bought the Spinning Wheel
A man by the name of David Willis bought a Violin that was listed.
William purchased an axe, 1 mowing Leythe, 1 set of books, 1 old ladder, 1 lot of oats, 1 black bottle (14 cents)
Missing
from the sale were Lewis and Elizabeth and Mary. Maybe this is because
Lewis and Elizabeth were in
Another man purchased a Geography and Atlas.
MY THOUGHTS:
I believe this so far:
James married someone named Lucy______ and had Joseph Todd in 1808.
Same Lucy that lives with him for many years.
He then James married someone else before 3-29-14 when William G. was born.
Maybe this is Elizabeth Kirk. Then if she really died in 1920, he could have
remarried and had
Mary Elizabeth in December of 1828. I believe this is the Mary Newberry he claims as his daughter in the will. It is intersting to me that she is the ONLY one he names as a child. It almost says to me he didn't want any doubts about it.
He may have had children before Joseph, William, Lewis and Elizabeth.
He
was VERY CLOSE to Catherine Powers. James G. and Catherine Powers They
are listed as the parents of Virginia POWERS on her marriage certificate.
Also note, Virgina Todd bought the spinning
wheel.
By the way. William G. Todd's son James G. Todd's middle name was not Gasper but rather George. He married Mary Kistner on July 1, 1861. The marriage certificate shows his whole name of James George Todd.
I
went back to
Todd
Cemetary #1 is off
Alt.
Joseph Todd B 3-4-1808 d 7-25-74
Elizabeth Todd b 2-13-1803 d 2-18-73
There are other Todd's from this family buried here. These are the ones that jumped right out. I found these records late and didn't have much time to look.
Todd Cemetary #1 (where Joseph and Elizabeth are buried) are about 1 mile from the Leonards home with Todd Cemetary #2 located another mile beyond that through the beautiful pastures. It said that this was recorded in 1995 and that it appeared Mr. Leonard was trying to restore all the old homes that were once located on the property. I hope to get to visit and take pictures of these.
Well it's late I will talk to you later.
Mindy
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JAMES GASPER TODD 1
Birth: 1769 in
Death: Jul 1850 in Little Moccasin Gap, Washington Co.,
Sex: M
Father:
Mother:
Burial: Little Moccasin Gap, Washington Co., Virginia
Spouses & Children
Marriage: ABT. 1810
Children:
William George Todd b. 29 Mar 1814 in Russell Co., Virginia
Lewis Todd b. About. 1815 in
Catherine "Polly?" (w\o James G.) Todd (Wife) b. About. 1774
Marriage: AFT. 1815
Children:
Joseph Todd b. After. 1815
Lucinda "Lucy" Newberry (Wife)
Marriage: ABT. 1840
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Hello Everyone,
I went to the Historical Society here in
He states:
"James G. Todd and wife, Elizabeth Kirk, were assessed for tax purposes in Russell County Virgina in 1815 on Little Cedar Creek 70 acres value $140.00 and this land laid next to 140 acres owned by widow Catherine Trout and value $150.00.
Willie also writes:
Family Record of The Todds
James, John and Andrew Todd. Who are
said to be of Irish decent, came from
The bulk of his information is concentrated on the William Todd side of the family.
I still believe Lucinda "Lucy' Todd is his first wife and they had Joseph. He never divorced her and that is why she is still a Todd and after James' death in 1850 the court ruled and was given back her dower interest in property that he had willed to William Todd
This Catherine Trout had been a neighbor as noted above and was
widowed. She may have had Sarah and Virginia and Mary by him and then
married a Powers and that male Powers gave them his name. Then that
Powers dies and she goes back to James. At that point Mary has become a
Newberry and Sarah is not married and NOTE on the notes of Willie Todd I found
that
Let me know what you think of this new information.
Mindy
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WILL OF JAMES G. TODD
WILL BOOK 11
PAGE 362
I James G. Todd of
Bird Silly James G. Todd
William Briggs
_______ Mcormack
John Phelps
CERTIFICATE OF PROBATE FOR JAMES G. TODD
WILL BOOK : 11
PAGE: 363
At a court held for
by the oath of Bird Silly and John Phelps two of the subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded and on the motion of Abram Mongle the Executor therein named who took the oath of an executor prescribed by law and entered into and acknowledged his bond in the sum of four hundred with Jacob Lynch and Charles P. Cummings his securities conditioned as the law directs. A certificate is therefore granted him for the probate of the said Will in due form.
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Hello everyone,
I have attached a copy of what James G. Todd's will said.
I also have an inventory and who bought what.
I will try to type this out later. Worth noting at first glance.
Joseph Todd purchased the Family Bible. The only thing from the estate he bought. (I KNOW I WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT IS MYSELF!!!!) I think this confirms that Joseph is his child.
Catherine Powers bought a lot of things like a bureau, two chairs, 1 chopping axe, 1 kettle, 1 oven, 1 pair of dog irons, candlesticks, 1 bed 1 bedstead 18 bushels of corn
There is another interesting listing: Virginia Todd bought the Spinning Wheel
A man by the name of David Willis bought a Violin that was listed.
William purchased an axe, 1 mowing Leythe, 1 set of books, 1 old ladder, 1 lot of oats, 1 black bottle (14 cents)
Missing from the sale were Lewis and Elizabeth and
Mary. Maybe this is because Lewis and Elizabeth were in
Another man purchased a Geography and Atlas.
MY THOUGHTS:
I believe this so far:
James married someone named Lucy______ and had Joseph Todd in 1808.
Same Lucy that lives with him for many years.
He then James married someone else before 3-29-14 when William G. was born.
Maybe this is Elizabeth Kirk. Then if she really died in 1920, he could have
remarried and had
Mary Elizabeth in December of 1828. I believe this is the Mary Newberry he claims as his daughter in the will. It is intersting to me that she is the ONLY one he names as a child. It almost says to me he didn't want any doubts about it.
He may have had children before Joseph, William, Lewis and Elizabeth.
He was VERY CLOSE to Catherine Powers. James G. and Catherine Powers They are listed
as the parents of Virginia POWERS on her marriage certificate. Also note, Virgina
Todd bought the spinning wheel.
By the way. William G. Todd's son James G. Todd's middle name was not Gasper but rather George. He married Mary Kistner on July 1, 1861. The marriage certificate shows his whole name of James George Todd.
I went back to
Todd Cemetary #1 is off Alt.
Joseph Todd B 3-4-1808 d 7-25-74
Elizabeth Todd b 2-13-1803 d 2-18-73
There are other Todd's from this family buried here. These are the ones that jumped right out. I found these records late and didn't have much time to look.
Todd Cemetary #1 (where Joseph and Elizabeth are buried) are about 1 mile from the Leonards home with Todd Cemetary #2 located another mile beyond that through the beautiful pastures. It said that this was recorded in 1995 and that it appeared Mr. Leonard was trying to restore all the old homes that were once located on the property. I hope to get to visit and take pictures of these.
Well it's late I will talk to you later.
Mindy
I really believe James G. Todd started his adventure of
fathering in NC (Stokes/Forsythe) and then I believe he moved on to
__________NC wife. Lucy ________Todd in Russell County, VA, Elizabeth Kirk in Washington County Virginia and again with the Powers' women in Washington County, VA. And there are probably others truth be known.....remember the Jane Todd of Russell County, VA that was in jail and got released because of having a young child at home and needed to breastfeed.
Keep me updated.
Thanks,
Mindy
One of the gaps in our research is that we have no deed records of
what happened to the land bequeathed to Catherine Powers and the land bequeathed to Mary Newberry.
Mary Newberry married W. H. Bond and hence the land was probably
sold by him or the Bond family at some point.
MARY ELIZABETH BOND, SLANT VIRGINIA
Mary Elizabeth Bond was born in June 1831 and she departed this life November
the 23rd, 1925.
She was united in holy matrimony to Rev,W.H.
Bond, a preacher of the Methodist Prostestant church,
who rode the mountains of
To this union were born six boys and three girls. Mrs
Bond professed faith in Christ in early life and lived a devoted Christian
life. She was a member of the
May God's blessings rest with them all.
R.M. Eller
Pastor of
Per Rootsweb Aaronodette@hotmail.com 2002
**
Lewis
is listed in census as b 1816, and 1815 and 1812; Wm is listed as b 1815, 1813,
1814, 1815. So I’d put Wm as born 1814
and Lewis as 1815, the reverse could be just as true unless we can find a
tombstone..
**
My sister went to the KY Department of Archives last week and looked up the death of Lewis Todd and found that
Lewis
Todd died 9-15-1878 in
Also,
we found the death record for John Grizzle b.12-14-1831 in Floyd
County d. 9-06-1913 in Penn, Greenup County,
KY (Fell Dead instantly no medical attention). The death
certificate shows his parents as William Grizzle and Elizabeth Todd both born
in
I also
had her look up the death certificate of Martha Ellen Moles Spears
b. 6-2-1852 born in KY d. 8-4-1941 in
as Emmanuel Moles and mother unknown. Martha would have been the daughter of Elizabeth Todd Grizzle Moles. The also had a son named Daniel. I will try see what I can find on him as well.
**
I went to the Historical Society here in
He states:
"James G. Todd and wife, Elizabeth Kirk, were assessed for tax purposes in Russell County Virgina in 1815 on Little Cedar Creek 70 acres value $140.00 and this land laid next to 140 acres owned by widow Catherine Trout and value $150.00.
Willie also writes:
Family Record of The Todds
James, John and Andrew Todd. Who are
said to be of Irish decent, came from
He seems to have conflated the three different Todd families
- Andrew Todd of Russell and Tazewell Co and the John Todd of
**
The following is not Elizabeth Todd!
1850 Russell Co VA
William H Grizzle 38 Russell Co Va
John Grizzle 19 Russell Co VA b 1831
James F Grizzle 17
Nancy Grizzle 15
Elisabeth Grizzle 12
Jane Grizzle 10
Alcy Grizzle 8
Jessee Grizzle 4
Polly Grizzle 6
William Grizzle 1
**
1850 Floyd Co KY
Emanuel Moles 37 VA (b1813)
Jane 20 KY
John 17 KY
John 15 VA
Harriett 11 OH (1839)
Catherine 5 KY (1845)
Mary 1 KY
Daniel Davis 6 OH (1844)
The presence of two John’s suggests these were children by
different sets of parents – one by father and one by mother.
**
1850 Carter Co (but in Floyd Co in 1840)
Daniel Trout b 1807 VA
Rhoda b 1807 VA
Phillip b 1830 VA
Noah b 1835 KY
Daniel d in Carter Co 1850-1860.
**
One fun little thing. I found in the order books something on a Jane Todd.
Law Order Bk 6 Pg 3 and 6
December 2, 1817
.....accusations of being a person of bad fame and for creating disturbances between husbands and wives, term of 12 months and a day or $50 security.
not being able to find such security, remands to jail for term until security given.
December 3, 1817
Life of an infant now at the breast of the defendant may be perhaps endangered by her imprisionment. released until further noticed.
**
Becky Hough Griswold’s emails
Hope,
I would really like to solve this William "Big
Billy" Grizzle mystery. I belive my William
Grizzle is the son of George and Sarah from Russell Co., VA. So that leaves
"Big Billy" without parents. Does the family bible your distant
cousin possesses have any other family birth/death records that might give us
something to go on?
Becky
2. hmbarnes
George Grizzle b abt
1782 d 11-12-1814 and wife Sarah
had Sarah Grizzle b abt1804 who Ithink
md Wm F Lyon; Lucinda (Senah)
b 2-6-1806 md Louis Lyons; William Big Billy b abt 1807; Lucy b abt 1809 md Elijah Hammon John b abt 1812. Father of George Grizzle was William b abt 1750 Pittslyvania Co, Va He md Sarah W Sladen 2-13-1786 in Va.
George had siblings Jessee,
So here we have Becky and hmbarnes having different ideas of who the Wiliam Grizzel was. Apparently there are two William Grizzel’s born about the same time.
3.
Could this be our Becky?
Becky Griswold
4.
From: "CDM2 ." < whm@index.com.jo>
Subject: [GRIZZLE-L] William Grizzle - Elizabeth
Todd
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:09:40 +0300
I
am researching the descendants of William Grizzle and Elizabeth Todd,
Washington Co., VA.
Their son John Grizzle (b. 14 Dec 1831, Floyd Co., KY; d. 6 Sept 1913,
Greenup Co., KY) married 25 August 1855, Araminta
Roberson. The relationship between John Grizzle and William Grizzle was obtained
from John Grizzle's KY death certificate.
John Grizzle and Araminta had the following
children:
William Grizzle b. 7 July 1857, d. 20 June 1920, Greenup Co., KY
John Crite Grizzle, b 1878
Nathanel Grizzle
Lewis (or Luis) Grizzle
Jim Grizzle
Ellen Grizzle
Ebbie Grizzle
Anyone have information on other children of William Grizzle-Elizabeth Todd
or the children of John Grizzle-Araminta Roberson?
Best regards,
Bill McKenzie
whm@mindspring.com
dspring.com
5.
From: B Griswold < patinas@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: [GRIZZLE-L] Elizabeth Grizzle
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:52:42 -0700
Lyn,
Elizabeth Grizzle married Thomas Davis on 7/27/1850. From the 1860 Floyd
Co., KY census, their children are Martha J., Daniel, and William.
William was born 9/24/1858 in Floyd Co.
I don't know who her parents were or any other siblings. I was hoping
this was my Elizabeth Todd Grizzle, remarried. But on the 1860 census it
lists
Elizabeth Todd Grizzle was born about 1812.
Does this help?
Becky
6.
From: Bill McKenzie < whm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Grizzle
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:03:58 -0500
I
want to present the following information for review and comment.
<bold>1. William
Grizzle</bold>, b. Washington Co., VA, m. Elizabeth
Todd, b. Washington Co., VA. This information was obtained from the KY
death certificate of their son John Grizzle which listed the parents
names and their places of birth. From the Ancestral Tree site on the
Internet I believe Elizabeth Todd to be the daughter of James G. Todd and
Elizabeth Kirk of Russell Co., VA but I'm still working on this.
<bold>2. John Grizzle</bold>, b. 14
Dec. 1831, Floyd Co., KY; d. 6 Sept
1913, Greenup Co., KY; m. Araminta Roberson, 25
Aug. 1855. Their children
were:
(ED note:
Note that he takes on face value the information from the death cert of
John Grizzle without citing sources.
Though John was born in 1831, please note that the census information
differs from year to year.
7. From: Becky Griswold < beckygrizz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GRIZZLE-L] Martin Luther Grizzle
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To:
<001f01c1e4b8$13eb7d00$8901a8c0@Jim>
Phyllis,
Leona's ancestors are my ancestors as well. I cannot
confirm any information for anyone past George and
Sarah Grizzle because I have not researched them
myself. However, this is how the line goes back from
John Grizzle and Araminta Roberson.
John Grizzle b. 12/14/1831 d. 9/6/1913 married
Araminta Roberson.
John's parents were William Grizzle b. abt. 1807
d.
bet 1831-1846 married Elizabeth Todd.
William's parents were George Grizzle and Sarah
Unknown of Russell Co., VA.
Regards,
Becky
8.
From: "B Griswold" < patinas@uswest.net>
Subject: [GRIZZLE-L] Mystery Solved? 2 William
Grizzles
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:53:02 -0700
Okay
all you Grizzle researchers...
I think I have part of the William Grizzle mystery solved.
Here are some of my reasons for this line of thinking.
Here goes:
I believe that the William Grizzle born abt.
1807, son of
George (1782-12/11/1814) is the William Grizzle who married
Elizabeth Todd (My Line). My reasoning for this is that from
the 1830 Lawrence Co., KY census William Grizzle (whom I am
POSITIVE is my William) is listed as being "of twenty and
under thirty" years of age. That would mean he was born
between 1800-1810. William, s/o George
was born abt 1807.
Big Billy was born Sept.(Oct.?) 26, 1810. Also,
William and
Elizabeth Todd's first child was a girl born between
1825-1830. Big Billy's first child was a boy, John, born
Oct. 13, 1830. (By the way, my William had a son, John, born
December ?, 1831. Confusing isn't it!!
Are you still with
me?????) It is more likely that Big Billy was 20 years old
when his first child was born and not 23 like he would be if
he was born abt. 1807. Also, at least 2 of
George's children
(Sina and John) were married in Lawrence Co., KY.
The only
census that William h/o Elizabeth Todd was hoh in
was the
1830 LAWRENCE CO.,
that he followed his siblings to Lawrence Co., KY and was
probably married there as well. I haven't found out where he
was married yet, but you can bet that I'm going to check the
Lawrence Co. marriage records soon. There is also a mystery
around William's death, but that is another story for
another time.
Therefore this creates a mystery as to who William "Big
Billy's" parents were. Hope Grizzel posted msg #881 on the
Grizzle genforum that a distant cousin of hers has
the
family bible
that belonged to Big Billy's family. The bible states that
Big Billy's mother, Rebecca, died on 12/25/1857. Rebecca
Hammon Grizzle married to William
Grizzle (s/o William
Grizzle and Lucy Deming) died 12/25/1857 so it is likely
that William and Rebecca are Big Billy's parents. Now, I
have seen no research that places Big Billy as a child of
Rebecca. However, Rebecca was born April 2, 1782 and her
1st? child, Nancy, was not born until abt 1814. I don't
believe for a second that Rebecca waited until she was 32
years old to have her first child. That means that she
probably has other children born before
Big Billy, born Sept. (or Oct.) 26, 1810 could be one of
several children born to William and Rebecca before
Let me throw one more curve ball at you all (or Y'all
for
you Southern folks). I contend that William George or George
William or George or William Grizzle who married Lucy Deming
also married Sarah Sladen. I think Lucy died
between 1782
(after George was born) and 2/13/1786 when William (or
George) Grizzle married Sarah Sladen. That indeed
would make
Sarah Sladen George's step-mother as some other
researchers
on this forum have speculated. That also means that the
Sarah that George was married to was NOT Sarah Sladen,
but
was Sarah UNKNOWN (unless someone out there has discovered
her surname). It also means that William, father of George,
et. al., was
probably named either William George or George
William since both names were used separately in marriage
records to Sarah Sladen.
I have been trying to figure out where my William fit in
with all you other Grizzles out there and which William
belonged to which John, George, Paul or Ringo. I
think I
have finally done it!!!!!!! And with that, I will say
Goodnight.
Regards,
Becky Hough Griswold (um Grizzle????)
Richard McMurtry
Santa Clara County Creeks Coalition
http://www.sccreeks.org
831-336-3262
rmcmurtry@baymoon.com
Hi folks,
The Barbara Trout daughter of Phillip and Caty
Trout who we assume was the Barbara whose sons Lewis and William were bound out
to the overseer of the Poor in 1824 in Russell Co appears NOT to have been
deceased but to have married Jesse Fraley around 1824 or perhaps 1824-1830 and
moved to Floyd Co by 1830.
So here is another Russell Co migrant to Floyd Co area in addition
to Wm Grizzel (husband of Elizabeth Todd/Elizabeth
Trout).
What this is shaping up to look like is that James G. Todd
fathered Elizabeth Trout b 1813 and Lewis Trout 1815 and William Trout 1816
with Lewis and William being sons of Barbara Trout and Elizabeth being either
Barbara or her mother Caty.
We had assumed that Barbara was born about 1798, but the date
below is given as Oct 1795, just a few months after Phillip and Caty married. Since
we know that Barbara was minor in 1817, she must have been born after
1796. If born in 1796, she would have
been 17 in 1813 when
Since Wm Grizzel migrated to Lawrence Co
KY by 1830 and Jesse Fraley, reported to be husband to Barbara Trout, was in
Floyd Co KY by 1830, we have a migration of these Trout related families to the
very area where Lewis Todd married in 1837.
So this would make James G. Todd’s family look like:
b1797 Gaspar Todd (by first wife
b 1808 Joseph (by
Lucy LNU)
b 1813
b 1814 Lewis (by
Barbara Trout)
b 1815 William (by
Barbara Trout)
b 1822/24
Elizabeth/Mary
b 1829
b 1831 Mary Newberry (by ?, possibly Elizabeth Newberry but she
was still the wife of Henry Newberry and a death (or marriage) record for Mary
indicates her father as Henry.)
I still have a hard time believing that Elizabeth Trout/Todd could
be James’ daughter since we have another daughter named Elizabeth b 1822 unless
this Elizabeth b 1822 is not his daughter, even though he names Elizabeth
Gobble in his will as receiving an equal share.
Nevertheless, this is the closest we can come at the present
moment to discerning the parentage of Lewis and the various liaisons of James
G. Todd.
**
Hi folks,
The Barbara
Trout daughter of Phillip and Caty Trout who we
assume was the Barbara whose sons Lewis and William were bound out to the overseer
of the Poor in 1824 in Russell Co appears NOT to have been deceased but to have
married Jesse Fraley around 1824 or perhaps 1824-1830 and moved to Floyd Co by
1830.
So here is
another Russell Co migrant to Floyd Co area in addition to Wm Grizzel (husband of Elizabeth Todd/Elizabeth Trout).
What this is
shaping up to look like is that James G. Todd fathered Elizabeth Trout b 1813
and Lewis Trout 1815 and William Trout 1816 with Lewis and William being sons
of Barbara Trout and Elizabeth being either Barbara or her mother Caty.
We had
assumed that Barbara was born about 1798, but the date below is given as Oct
1795, just a few months after Phillip and Caty
married. Since we know that Barbara was minor in 1817, she must have been
born after 1796. If born in 1796, she would have been 17 in 1813
when
Since Wm Grizzel migrated to Lawrence Co KY by 1830 and Jesse
Fraley, reported to be husband to Barbara Trout, was in Floyd Co KY by 1830, we
have a migration of these Trout related families to the very area where Lewis
Todd married in 1837.
So this would
make James G. Todd’s family look like:
b1797 Gaspar Todd (by first wife
b
1808 Joseph (by Lucy LNU)
b
1813
b
1814 Lewis (by Barbara Trout)
b
1815 William (by Barbara Trout)
b
1822/24 Elizabeth/Mary
b
1829
b 1831 Mary
Newberry (by ?, possibly Elizabeth Newberry but she was still the wife of Henry
Newberry and a death (or marriage) record for Mary indicates her father as
Henry.)
I still have
a hard time believing that Elizabeth Trout/Todd could be James’ daughter since
we have another daughter named Elizabeth b 1822 unless this Elizabeth b 1822 is
not his daughter, even though he names Elizabeth Gobble in his will as
receiving an equal share.
Nevertheless,
this is the closest we can come at the present moment to discerning the
parentage of Lewis and the various liaisons of James G. Todd.
**
From: "Ramona" < witchy2@zoomnet.net>
Subject: [VARUSSEL-L] Seeking information on Jesse Fraley, Sr and his son Jesse Fraley, Jr.
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:19:09 -0500
I
am looking for information on the following family lines.
Jesse Fraley, Sr. was born circa 1776, Washington Co., VA. He married Mary
English d/o John and Mollie English circa 1794.
Jesse died 1801 Russell Co. VA.
The children of Jesse and Mary English Fraley all born in Russell Co. VA.:
James Fraley; born circa 1795; m Julia Ann Waggoner, d/o John Waggoner and
Margaret ?, circa 1825; d Sept. 1840, Carter Co., KY.
Nancy Fraley; born 1798; m Samuel Isaacs, s/o Fielding Isaacs
and
Sarah Harris, circa 1826; d Oct. 14, 1875 Wayne Co., WV.
Jesse Fraley, b Sept. 10, 1799 Castlewood, Russell Co. VA.
He m
Barbara Trout, d/o Phillip Trout and ?, circa 1824
Russell Co., VA.
Jesse Jr. d. Oct. 2, 1862 Bruin, Carter Co., KY, at age 63.
Barbara Trout Fraley was b Oct. 2, 1795 in Russell Co., VA.
Barbara d Dec. 30, 1870 at Bruin, Elliott Co., KY at age 75.
Jesse Fraley Jr and Barbara Trout Fraley are my ggggGrandparents.
They are buried in the Harve Gray Cemetery Elliott
Co., KY.
Mollie Fraley, b circa 1800; m a Sexton before May 23, 1821
Russell Co., VA.
Note: I was always told and it is recorded in our family Bibles that Mary
English's parents Captain John English and wife Mollie were killed at
Blackmoores Forte Russell Co., VA.
Any corrections or additional information on any of these surnames or
dates will be greatly appreciated.
I forgot to add Jesse Fraley, Sr. was a son of Frederick and Chloe
? Fraley
of Russell Co., VA.
Thank you,
Ramona
Richard McMurtry
Santa Clara County Creeks Coalition
http://www.sccreeks.org
831-336-3262
rmcmurtry@baymoon.com
From: Richard McMurtry
[mailto:rmcmurtry@baymoon.com]
Sent: Saturday,
October 11, 2008 10:05 AM
To:
Subject: new discovery
Hi
folks,
Becky
Griswold had made a new discovery that may be the clue to the identity of Lewis
Todd.
With
respect to Wm Grizzel (whose son John Grizzel left a death
certificate that said his mother was Elizabeth Todd), she found Wm Grizzel in the Russell Co tax lists in 1828 and 1829 but
not thereafter which fits with his appearance in the 1830 census for Lawrence
Co KY and would be compatible with Elizabeth having been raised in Russell
Co. She also found a death cert for a daughter of
Putting
this together raises the question about whether
Becky
has found that Catherine Trout left several minor children at her death who
were apprenticed out. One pair of these children were
Lewis Trout and William Trout.
So
the question arises as to whether these were children by James G.Todd. The key to this is to get the actual
apprenticeship record and see what their ages were and the date of the
apprenticeship. If the date was 1817 and they were 14, then they
were Phillip Trout’s children. If the date was 1825 and they were 10,
then this would make their birth years as 1815 and match the birth years of
William and Lewis Todd and would make them born after the death of Phillip Trout
and therefort conceivably the children of James G.
Todd.
We
will have to wait until Becky gets the actual records for which she found the
index references. But this would place Lewis back as son of James g. Todd
and throw out my theory about Lewis being a nephew rather than a son.
Stay
tuned!
Wait
a second, here’s an even newer discovery:
After
I wrote this, I found on the web the following that indicates that Lewis and
William Trout were children of one Barbara Trout and that Catherine’s children
were:
Christiana,
Barbara, Catherine, Jacob and Daniel.
This is all moving towards
supporting Willie E Todd’s conclusion that Lewis, William and Elizabeth Todd
were siblings. Perhaps they were siblings and children of Barbara Trout
rather than Caty.???
CHANEY
- Christopher CHANEY is found in
Russell Co. VA in January 1817 helping Jacob TROUT to get released as an
apprentice of Henry CHILDS. Jacob was placed there by his mother and
Christopher is listed as a "half brother" of Jacob. In September 1817,
Christopher CHANEY becomes the quardian of all the
TROUT children; Christiana, Barbara, Catherine, Jacob and Daniel. There is a
Christopher CHANEY listed in the 1820 Washington Co. VA census, (1 male to 10,
1 male 16-26, 1 female to 10, 1 female to 26), and 1830 Washington Co. VA
census, (1 male 10-15, 1 male 30-40, 2 females under 5, 2 females 5-10, 2
females 10-15, 1 female 20-30). Is this the same Christopher CHANEY? Who is
this Christopher CHANEY and how can is he a *half brother* to Jacob Trout?
TROUT
- Amanda TROUT, white, age 30, female, married, lived in Carter Co., KY, born Lawrence Co., KY, parents Archibal and Sindrilla RICE, died 15 January 1858. What TROUT was she married to?
TROUT - Daniel/David/Davis TROUT,
white, age 46, male, single, Minister of the Gospel, lived in Straight Creek,
Carter Co. KY, died 24 July 1855, consumption. Who is this Trout?
TROUT - Lewis and William TROUT,
children of deceased Barbara TROUT ordered bound out by the overseer of poor 3
August 1824 in Russell Co. VA. Who is this Barbara TROUT? Who is the father?
TROUT - Phillip TROUT died in 1807
in Russell Co. VA leaving children: Christiana, Barbara, Catherine, Jacob and
Daniel. Who is their mother? What happened to Christiana, Jacob and Daniel?
Christiana - last seen in Russell
Co. VA in September 1817 court records as an infant, with guardian Christopher
CHANEY.
Barbara - married Jesse FRALEY and
moved to KY and their family continues today.
Catherine - married William KINSER
and moved to IA and IN and their family continues today.
Jacob - last seen in Russell Co.
VA in September 1817 court records as an infant, with guardian Christopher
CHANEY. (Christopher CHANEY is listed as his "half
brother" in January 1817.)
In the 1845 Tax Records of Floyd Co. KY is a Jacob TROUT listed (1 male over
21).
Is this the same Jacob TROUT?
Daniel - last seen in Russell Co.
VA in September 1817 court records as an infant, with guardian Christopher
CHANEY.
In 1830 Washington Co VA census is a Daniel TROUT listed (1 male under 5, 1
male 20-30, 1 female 20-30).
In the 1837 Tax Records of Floyd Co. KY is a Daniel TROUT listed (1 white over
21 and 1 horse).
In 1840 Tax Records of Floyd Co. KY is a Daniel TROUT listed.
In 1843 Tax Records of Floyd Co. KY is a Daniel TROUT listed (3 children between 7-17)
In 1844 Tax Records of Floyd Co. KY is a Daniel TROUT listed (4 children
between 7-17)
No record after 1844 in Floyd Co. KY.
Is this the same Daniel TROUT?
TROUT - Stephen TROUT
born 10 August 1810, Russell Co. VA. Who are his parents?
http://yelnam.tripod.com/brickwalls.html
**
Christopher Chaney
Abel Chaney in
It
is presumed that Abel was the oldest of the five sons, because he was the first
of the children mentioned in the will. In 1810, Abel’s household consisted of
just three persons.
Abel
was is listed as between 26 and 45 years old. That
places his year of birth sometime between circa 1765 and 1784. In 1798,
Hezekiah Chaney, Sr. first paid the poll tax for two white males.
Assuming
that Abel is the second poll, 12
Kegley, M. B., Early Adventures on the
Western Waters, Volume III, Part 1, The
Kegley Books,
13
Probate Records,
14
1810 Census,
15
1810 Census,
16
Personal Property Tax Records,
5
Mystery Solved, The Origin of Christopher Chaney/Michael
A. Ports – page
6 of 11
then Abel was born circa 1776. Thus, he would have turned 21 years of age
during the year 1797 and just old enough to have been assessed for his poll tax
in 1798. It is presumed that Christopher is the young male then just sixteen
years old. The third member of Abel’s household was a slave. The name of Abel’s
first wife is unknown as she is mentioned in no extant records. Unfortunately,
no record of their marriage has been located. Her maiden name may have been
Cowden, as two of Abel’s sisters married men named Cowden and Christopher named
his youngest son Hiram Cowden Chaney.
The
children of Abel and ( ? ) Chaney were:
i. Christiana, born circa 1793 in
ii.
Christopher, born circa 1794 in
It
is presumed that Abel Chaney continued to live with his father through 1807, as
Hezekiah, Senior paid
the poll tax for two white males during that period. On January 12, 1807,
Able Cheney recorded a survey for a 20-acre tract of hitherto vacant land
between his own land and that of William Henly.
The
survey was made by virtue of part of a Land Office Treasury Warrant, but no
record of that warrant has been located.
In
1809, Abel Chaney paid his own poll tax. He also was assessed for seven horses.
On September 12,
1809,
the Wythe County Grand Jury charged Able Chayne for
stopping the road round his plantation.
Precisely
what Able was alleged to have done to “stop” the road was not recorded. The
sheriff was
ordered to summon Abel Chaney before the Court to answer the allegations.
Apparently, Abel answered
the Court in a satisfactory manner as the presentment was dismissed that
November.
Again,
in 1810, he was assessed for his poll tax and seven horses. On March 2, 1810,
Abel R. Chaney
purchased two tracts of land from Jonathan and Jane Henderson. Abel paid $400 for
the first tract
consisting of 250 acres on the waters of
He
paid $220 for the second tract of 140 acres also on the waters of
On
August 2, 1810, Abel purchased a tract of land from his parents for $1,000.
The
357-acre tract was located on the waters of
On
October 15, 1810, the sheriff was ordered to arrest Rufus Morgan and hold him
until the next meeting of the
Both
Abel R. Chaney and his younger brother Hezekiah Chaney claimed
17
Land Entry Records,
18
Criminal Court Records,
19
Land Records,
(Hereinafter cited as Wythe Deeds.)
20
Wythe Deeds, Book 5, Page 247.
21
Wythe Deeds, Book 5, Page 290.
22
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that on October 14, 1810, Rufus Morgan had committed trespass and then
assaulted and beat them. They
each claimed damages amounting to $1,000. The case dragged through the court
for awhile, until finally
the case was dismissed at the defendant’s cost on May 3, 1812.
In
1811, Able Chaney was taxed for only two tracts of land.
One
tract of 250 acres was assessed at $62.50. The other tract of 356 acres was
assessed at $178. Obviously, Abel either hid his third tract of 140 acres from
the tax man or he had sold it to someone else before the taxes were due. If he
did sell it, no deed was recorded. That same year, Abel paid personal property
taxes for only two horses. On July 22, 1811 Abel Chaney purchased a fourth
tract of land.
He
paid Jacob Newman of
A
summons was duly issued ordering Andrew Porter, George Rosenburn,
and Alexander Mahood to
testify for the Commonwealth. Another summons was issued ordering David Fisher,
George Davis,
Henry
Hufman,
and Jacob Gose to testify for the defendant. After
hearing the evidence, the Court
dismissed the allegations. In 1813 and again in 1814, Abel paid property taxes on
the same three tracts of land, but he was taxed for only one stud horse. It is
evident that he avoided paying property taxes on all of his property. On May
11, 1813, Abel Chaney sold 430 acres of land on
He
signed the deed as Abel R. Cheyne. On March 8, 1814,
Abel R. Cheyne sold two adjacent tracts of land to
Jacob Sprecker of
The
Wythe County Court issued a summons on July 13, 1813 ordering the sheriff to
summon James
Mills, Hezekiah Cheyne, and William King, Jr.
to testify on behalf of Abel R. Cheyne.
Unfortunately,
the case file contains no papers other than the original summons. Thus, the
nature of the case now is lost to history.
In
March 1817, William Litz filed suit against Abel R. Cheyne to recover a debt in the form of a note in
the amount of $20 with six percent interest from May 20, 1814.
William
Litz complained to the court that Abel Cheyne
had since left the jurisdiction of
23
Real Property Tax Records,
24
Wythe Deeds, Book 5, Page 376.
25
Wythe Criminal Cases, Commonwealth vs. Abel
Chaney, No. 1812-017.
26
Wythe Deeds, Book 6, Page 395.
27
Wythe Criminal Cases, Commonwealth vs. Abel
R. Cheyne, No. 1813-032.
28
Chancery Court Records,
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County, owed a considerable sum of money to Abel Chaney. One can only presume
that the considerable sums consisted of the proceeds from the sale of Abel’s
real estate. Thus, William Liz wanted the c ourt to
order that his debt be settled out of the money owed to Abel Chaney. This the
court did, in the amount of $78.38 to cover the original, costs, and interest.
Just
why and when he left his home in
that Abel Chaney left
presumed that he was alone in life. His wife had left him a widower. His only
two known children had
left home. His daughter Christiana had married Philip Trout and was then
living in
son Christopher probably was living in
Moving to
Perhaps,
Abel R. Cheyne moved to
moved to
of
been lost. But, it seems likely that Abel had remarried and was living in
soon thereafter.
On
November 18, 1829, the local court found against Josiah Price and ordered him
to pay $125 to Able R.
Cheyne and James P. Hanes.
At
the same term, the court also found against William R. Sitter and
ordered him to pay $125 to Able R. Cheyne and James
P. Hanes. Unfortunately, the specific nature of
their disputes was not recorded. It was recorded only that the two defendants
did not appear in court and
thus forfeited. At the same time, the victorious A. R. Cheyne
and J. P. Hanes filed an affidavit requesting
that the suit by William G. White against them be continued until the next
term of the court.
On
May 11, 1831, the two defendants filed their affidavit together with affidavits
from John Waugh, John
L.
White, and H. P. Gibson requesting a change of venue.
The
court agreed and transferred the matter to
the
In
1830, Abel R. Chaney’s household consisted of eight persons.
Males
Females
Two,
under 5
One,
between 5 and 10
Two,
between 5 and 10
One,
between 10 and 15
One,
between 40 and 50
One,
between 30 and 40
29
Circuit Court Minutes,
30
31
1830 Census,
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9 of 11
Of
course, it is presumed that Abel was the lone male between 40 and 50 years of
age. One wonders why
he reported to be so young. Probably born circa 1775, he would have been
about 55 years old in 1830.
Perhaps
he simply was vain. Perhaps he wanted to minimize the large difference in age
between him and
his wife. Perhaps he was unsure of his age. Perhaps his wife was unsure of
his age when she reported his
age to the census enumerator. Based upon the available records, it simply
is not possible to know for sure
why his age was not recorded correctly. His wife is presumed to be the
eldest female between 30 and 40
years of age. The six youngsters are presumed to their children Darthula, Elizabeth, Margaret, Keturia
Sophronia,
Ethelred Ichabod, and Martha Minerva. Abel’s younger brother
Hezekiah also was living in
Abel
owned no slaves.
On
May 15, 1835, William G. White of
The
two men were empowered to collect on a judgment against Abel R.
Chaney and James P. Haynes. Unfortunately, the nature and amount of the
judgment were not recorded.
In
1836 Abel R. Cheyne paid the poll tax. He also was
assessed for 160 acres of land valued at $1,000.
In
1840, Abel R. Chaney’s household had increased in size to ten people.
Males
Females
One,
under 5
One,
between 5 and 10
One,
between 5 and 10
Two,
between 10 and 15
One,
between 15 and 20
Two,
between 20 and 30
One,
between 50 and 60
One,
between 40 and 50
Abel
is reported incorrectly as between 50 and 60 years of age. His wife was
reported correctly as
between 40 and 50 years of age. Their eight reported children are presumed to
be Darthula, Elizabeth,
Margaret,
Keturia Sophronia, Martha
Minerva, Robert, David, and an unknown daughter between 5 and
10.
Their son Ethelred Ichabod, then about 15 years old,
apparently was not living at home. Had he
struck out on his own at such a tender age? Was he away at school?
A
suit was filed over the proposed settlement of the estate of Samuel Blackburn
in 1842.
Called
to
testify in the matter, Abel R. Cheyne, aged about 60,
deposed in January 1846 that he and Samuel
the names of the two sisters were not recorded. But, the record does place
the date of his marriage as
April
13, 1817. Based upon the date it is likely that his marriage took place in
uncertain just where.
32
1830 Census,
33
34
1840 Census,
35
Chancery Court Records,
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In
1850, A. R. Chaney was living in the Second District of Monroe County.
Abel
is listed as a 65-year-
old farmer. His reported age in the three
age was wrong so consistently is uncertain. The only satisfactory
explanation is that he wanted to lessen
the difference between his age and his wife’s. In any event, he valued his
real estate at $1,300 and
reported correctly that he was born in
whom were born in
Abel
R. Cheyne died in
local newspaper.
“J. A. Hare, Esq. of Madisonville, informs us that the health of that
place is now good.
The last case of cholera was Capt. A. R. Chaynie
who died about the 13th.”
It
is interesting that the newspaper notice used his military title. Apparently,
Abel Chaney was a captain
in the local militia. The heirs of his estate filed a suit concerning the
disposition of his estate. It was
necessary to file the suit because there was no will, the widow was entitled to
her dower share in the real
estate, and some of the heirs were minors. On December 2, 1856, began the
process of overseeing the
The
court ordered that the land be surveyed, the dower portion laid off, and
the remainder of the lands sold to pay the debts. A total of 80 acres was
set aside and assigned to Esther
Cheynie as her
dower lands. The remainder of the 160-acre tract was sold at public auction to
William
Williams for $700. The heirs were identified as Esther Cheynie widow, Robert Cheynie, Darthula wife of
Rice
C. Spears,
deceased, E. E. Cheynie, Arinista
Minerva Cheynie, and Jane wife of James Roy.
The
foregoing record makes it clear that only his second wife and their children
benefited from Abel’s
estate. His first wife and their two children had long since passed away. Yet,
both of his children by his
first wife were survived by children who were living at the time his estate
was settled. Surely they were
entitled to a share of the estate. Of course, it is easy to understand how his
second family felt that they
were entitled to the entire estate. After all, the estate was not large
especially after the widow’s dower
portion was deducted. The other heirs, so far away in
grandfather. It is doubtful that Abel had ever seen those grandchildren. Yet, one
wonders why they did
not benefit from their grandfather’s estate.
The
children of Abel and Esther (Thompson) Chaney were:
i. Darthula, born circa
1818 in
ii.
iii. Margaret R., born circa 1823 in
36
1850 Census,
37
Loudon Free Press, Volume
II, Number 41, September 20, 1854.
10
38
Chancery Court Minutes,
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11
iv. Keturia Sophronia,
born circa 1826 in
v.
Martha Minerva, born circa 1829 in
vi. Ethelred Ichabod, born circa
vii.
Robert, born circa 1834 in
viii. David H., born circa 1837 in
ix.
Jane, born circa 1839 in
The
widow Esther Cheyne married Zachariah Givens on
October 21, 1858.
It
is presumed that Esther
was buried with her second husband at the
been found.
Conclusion
The
foregoing represents all of the public and private records that the author has
found concerning the
identity of Christopher Chaney’s parents.
The author is indebted to the staff of many public and private
institutions for their patience, cooperation, and assistance. Special mention is due
the helpful staff at the
Johnson
County Courthouse, Texas General Land Office, Wythe County Courthouse, Virginia
State
Library and Archives,
also go to Lynn McConkey, a Chaney descendant and
local genealogist and historian specializing in
for her very extensive knowledge of the early families of
material is anticipated as research continues.
*
39
Marriage Records,
The Francis S. Chaney Estate Controversy Francis S. Chaney,
born circa 1818 in
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Ports – page 2 of 11fork of Buffalo Creek and Noland’s River. The property was
known locally as the Kennard Ranch, but had been taken from the northeast
corner of the Lawrence Perry Headright. Keziah Chaney died there onor
about April 18, 1869. It is presumed that she was buried on that property,
although a detailed search ofaerial photographs and
topographic maps of the area provide no evidence of any family cemetery in the
immediate vicinity. In August 1869, Frank married Mary Burk, the step-daughter
of his neighbor Levi Boatright.5Mary thenwas only
eighteen years of age. Unfortunately, no official record of their marriage has
survived. The genesis of their romance and courtship remains a mystery. However,
from surviving records it is evident that Frank loved his young wife. Whether
or not she returned his affection is uncertain. In fact, she left him and
returned to her step-father’s house for at least two extended periods. Perhaps
she did not love her husband. After all, he was old enough to be her father,
not in good health, and one of the richest men in the county. Under such
circumstances, it is not difficult to conclude that the young Mary was just an
opportunist and wanted only for her husband to die quickly so that she could
inherit her share of hisestate. Because she was not
named in his will, she contested the probate in order to claim a portion of herestranged husband’s estate. The details of that contest
have survived. Chaney descendants should thank her for contesting the will, as
the recorded testimony of the various witnesses provide much detail about Frank
Chaney’s estate as well as his personal life just before he died. In any event,
Frank died of pneumonia in
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Mystery Solved, The Origin of Christopher Chaney/Michael A.
Ports – page 3 of 11carried her home. They separated or she left him again.
This time she returned. Mr. Chaney sent his sister Mrs. Hill after her. She
returned with Mrs. Hill. And she left again about 2 weeks before Mr. Chaney’s
death. He Chaney was at that time very low notexpected
to live. I was long intimate with Chaney’s family. was
there a good deal... “...There was no one there at that time to wait on him. Witnesses sister prepared his food and carried it to him
from her own home. “On the day that F. Chaney died when we all thought he was
dying I was standing by his bedside. I looked out at the window and saw Mary
and her mother coming. & I said Uncle Frank Mary and her mother are coming
to see you. He said alas too late...” Cross Examination “I am a second cousin
to Mr. Chaney. I lived about ¾ from him at the time of his death. I was not
present at the time Mrs. Humphreys proposed to send for Mrs. Hill but was told soby Chaney & others. Mrs. Hill had been in the
neighborhood some 7 or 8 months at the time of Mr. Chaney’s death. At the time
Mrs. Humphreys proposed to send for Mrs. Hill Chaney told me he said nothing
but that she came and nursed him tenderly. I never was about the home of Mrs.
Humphrey. Since she moved up here it is understood that Mrs. Hill & Mrs. Humphreys
had a disagreement. As to my own knowledge, I know nothing of it. I am twenty
five years of age. I am the wife of William Weatherly. I had know
Uncle Frank Chaney some 2 or 3 years. Mrs. Humphreys nearly as long & I
never met Mrs. Hill until last July. Mary Chaney’s father is dead. Her mother
married Levy Boatright. I mean by her ward robe her
wearing clothing. Uncle Frank told me that he kept his valuable papers &
money in a table drawer and a trunk. I think the table drawer & trunk had
keys & locks. The key of the trunk broken. I heard
Uncle Frank tell my husband thathe had I think $180.
Mr. Chaney requested me to come to town with his wife and assist herin selecting some winter dresses & a cloak & to
say to the merchants that he would settle the bill.” Clementine Weatherly Sworn
to and subscribed before me this April 1st AD 1870. P. W. Wynne, clerk CCJC TexasWho Was Clementine Weatherby?
Based upon her own statements that she made under oath, Clementine was born
circa 1845. She and her husband were living in
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Mystery Solved, The Origin of Christopher Chaney/Michael A.
Ports – page 4 of 11Clementine’s name on the census schedule cannot be
explained easily. However, mistaking Weatherby for
Weatherly seems a common and understandable error. With these errors, can we be
certain thatCarrantine Weatherby
was the Clementine Weatherly? Obviously, more corroborating evidence is
required. No other women named Clementine in their mid-twenties were found
after a careful search ofthe 1870 census population
schedules for all of Precinct 1,
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Ports – page 5 of 11Virginia. Hezekiah Chaney, Sr. in
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Mystery Solved, The Origin of Christopher Chaney/Michael A.
Ports – page 6 of 11then Abel was born circa 1776. Thus, he would have turned
21 years of age during the year 1797 and just old enough to have been assessed
for his poll tax in 1798. It is presumed that Christopher is the young male
then just sixteen years old. The third member of Abel’s household was a slave.
The name of Abel’s first wife is unknown as she is mentioned in no extant
records. Unfortunately, no record of their marriage has been located. Her
maiden name may have been Cowden, as two of Abel’s sisters married men named
Cowden and Christopher named his youngest son Hiram Cowden Chaney. It is presumed that Abel Chaney continued to
live with his father through 1807, as Hezekiah, Senior paid the poll tax for
two white males during that period. On January 12, 1807, Able Cheney recorded a
survey for a 20-acre tract of hitherto vacant land between his own land and
that of William Henly.17The surveywas made by virtue
of part of a Land Office Treasury Warrant, but no record of that warrant has
been located. In 1809, Abel Chaney paid his own poll tax. He also was assessed
for seven horses. On September 12, 1809, the Wythe County Grand Jury charged
Able Chayne for stopping the road round his plantation.18Precisely
what Able was alleged to have done to “stop” the road was not recorded. The
sheriff was ordered to summon Abel Chaney before the Court to answer the
allegations. Apparently, Abel answered the Court in a satisfactory manner as
the presentment was dismissed that November. Again, in 1810, he was assessed
for his poll tax and seven horses. On March 2, 1810, Abel R. Chaney purchased
two tracts of land from Jonathan and Jane Henderson. Abel paid $400 for the
first tract consisting of 250 acres on the waters of Cripple Creek.19He paid
$220 for the second tract of 140 acres also on the waters of Cripple Creek.20On
August 2, 1810, Abel purchased a tract of land from his parents for
$1,000.21The 357-acre tract was located on the waters of Cripple Creek on the
side of Lick Mountain. On October 15, 1810, the sheriff was ordered to arrest
Rufus Morgan and hold him until the next meeting of the County Superior
Court.22Both Abel R. Chaney and his younger brother Hezekiah Chaney
claimed17Land Entry Records,
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Mystery Solved, The Origin of Christopher Chaney/Michael A.
Ports – page 7 of 11that on October 14, 1810, Rufus Morgan had committed
trespass and then assaulted and beat them. They each claimed damages amounting
to $1,000. The case dragged through the court for awhile, until finally the
case was dismissed at the defendant’s cost on May 3, 1812. In 1811, Able Chaney
was taxed for only two tracts of land.23One tract of 250 acres was assessed at $62.50. The other tract of 356 acres was
assessed at $178. Obviously, Abel either hid his third tract of 140 acres from
the tax man or he had sold it to someone else before the taxes were due. If he
did sell it, no deed was recorded. That same year, Abel paid personal property
taxes for only two horses. On July 22, 1811 Abel Chaney purchased a fourth
tract of land.24He paid Jacob Newman of
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Mystery Solved, The Origin of Christopher Chaney/Michael A.
Ports – page 8 of 11County, owed a considerable sum of money to Abel Chaney.
One can only presume that the considerable sums consisted of the proceeds from
the sale of Abel’s real estate. Thus, William Liz wanted the court to order
that his debt be settled out of the money owed to Abel Chaney. This the court
did, in the amount of $78.38 to cover the original, costs, and interest. Just
why and when he left his home in
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Mystery Solved, The Origin of Christopher Chaney/Michael A.
Ports – page 9 of 11Of course, it is presumed that Abel was the lone male
between 40 and 50 years of age. One wonders why he reported to be so young.
Probably born circa 1775, he would have been about 55 years old in 1830.
Perhaps he simply was vain. Perhaps he wanted to minimize the large difference
in age between him and his wife. Perhaps he was unsure of his age. Perhaps his
wife was unsure of his age when she reported his age to the census enumerator.
Based upon the available records, it simply is not possible to know for sure
why his age was not recorded correctly. His wife is presumed to be the eldest
female between 30 and 40 years of age. The six youngsters are presumed to their
children Darthula, Elizabeth, Margaret, Keturia Sophronia, Ethelred Ichabod, and Martha Minerva. Abel’s younger brother
Hezekiah also was living in
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Ports – page 10 of 11In 1850, A. R. Chaney was living in the Second District of
Monroe County.36Abel is listed as a 65-year-old farmer. His reported age in the
three
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born circa 1826 in
**
HI folks,
Here’s some data on the Kirks.
I can not tell the relationship between the Kirks who lived (based on
tax lists) in Russell county for a few years between 1800 and 1810, but I would
think they are the Grayson Co or the Montgomery Co Kirks, possibly two
different families. However, the Barbara
Kirk who md in Grayson Co and came to Russell Co is
undoubtedly of Caty Kirk’s family based on similar
migration patterns. The George Kirk on the Russell Co tax lists might be the
George who married in Grayson co 1801.
The next step would be to search the Russell Co records for Kirks
to flesh out their relationships and migrations, i.e. court, land, probate
records.
The next step here would be to search the records of
Perhaps searching the Wythe and Grayson Co records might also
yield valuable information to identify Caty Kirk and
see if there indeed was an Elizabeth Kirk (or not).
By 1820, there was a Henry Kirk and Jacob Kirk in Grayson Co both
born 1775-1794. Perhaps these are both
sons of Henry Sr.
Richard
1. from Francees
Lancaster
Hi everyone,
I have a copy of the Kirks of Grayson County.
It's based on Jacob & Elizabeth Pool Kirk, parents unknown but
leaning towards being Henry Kirk.
30 Aug 1792 Henry Kirk grantee, from Richard
& Sarah Wright grantors, 25 acres on Elk Creek,
recorded 12 Feb. 1793. (Wythe Co. Deed Book 1, pg.
125)
5 Nov. 1799 Surveyed for Henry Kirk,
assignee of Philip Trout, 46 acres, by virtue of an entry made 5 Nov.
1781...lying in Grayson County on a branch of Turkey Fork of Elk Creek.
(Grayson Co. 1st Platt Book)
Grayson County Marriage Register, Vol. 1 shows:
Philip Trout and Caterina Kirk, Bond
1795-2, dated 21 Feb. 1795, Principal: Philipmon Trought,
Surety: Henery Heark,
for the marriage of Philip Trout to Catereener Hearck, daughter of Henery
Hearck. Return: 1-2: Rev.
Charles Hardy certifies that he married Philip Trout and Caty
Cirk,
(date not given) return dated 2 June
1795.
Henry's first wife was also named Caterina,
as shown on an old deed. The various spellings are the ones
found in the court records.
Jacob first married Sarrah Wright 29
July 1800. Between the 1812 entry and 1818, Sarah died and Jacob
married Elizabeth Pool. The list of Jacob's heirs
mentioned shows that he and Sarrah Wright Kirk had
Rachel, born 28 Aug 1803
Richard born 1808
Elizabeth, Lewis, and Patsy
(no dates)
No Todd's listed in book
Frances Lancaster
2. Henry Kirk from Rootsweb
Also:
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1. |
Henry
Kirk was born 1755 in |
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Child of Henry Kirk is:
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3.
Barbara Kirk (possible sister to Jacob and Caty/Caterina
· ID: I30664
· Name: Barbara
KIRK
· Sex: F
· Birth: C.1770
· Death: bef
1805 in Russell Co.,VA
Marriage 1 Mark
HART b: C.1770 in Montgomery Co.,VA
·
Married: 17 SEP 1800 in Grayson Co.,VA
4.
George Kirk possible brother to Caty
· ID: I8784
· Name: GEORGE KIRK 1
· Sex: M
· Birth: BET 1775 AND 1794
Marriage 1 POLLY
STALEY b: ABT 1781 in
Married: 27 MAY 1801 in
5.
Mary Kirk possible sister to caty
· ID: I32
· Name: Mary M Kirk
· Sex: F
Father: Samuel
Kirk
Marriage 1 Fredrick
Staley
·
Married: 11 Apr 1797 in
Children
1.
Noah
Staley b: 17 Jan 1811
6.
Land grants for Kirks in
KIRK GRANTS
Alexander Kirk - 22 Aug1792
400 a. On the North side of the North fork of Holstein river Beginning onthe South side of Poor Valley Knob &c.
Grants No. 27, p. 65
Caleb Kirk - 6 Feb 1800
Wythe County
1000 a. On the waters of Clinch river joining the land of Thomas Whitten
Beginning on the top of Rich Mountain at the North East end of Morris Knob
Grants No. 44, p. 256
Henry Kirk - 16 Jul 1793
Montgomery County
200 a. On the Turkey Fork of Elk Creek and adjoining Richard Riteslines
Grants No. 28, p. 558
John Kirk - 7 Oct 1785
Montgomery County
196 a. On the Meadow Branch the waters of
Grants No. R, p. 578
7.
Kirks in Grayson Co 1800 tax list: column 1 is males over 21,
column 2 is horses
|
Kirk, Saml. |
1 |
1 |
|
Kirk, Henry |
1 |
2 |
|
Kirk, Jacob |
1 |
4 |
|
Trout, Phillip |
1 |
3 |
Jacob is assumed son to Henry;
In 1796, only one taxed is Henry. No Trouts.
In 1799, Henry and Samuel with 100 acres for Henry and 172 acres
for Samuel; Phllip Trout has 100 acres.
In 1794, only Samuel with 1 male over 16.,
no Trout.
IN 1805, Henry and Jacob. One 1 m over 16.
In 1810,
only Jacob.
The tax lists do not suggest a lot of males in these familes, but perhaps they were young, i.e. born after 1780.
8.
asdf
**
Emanuel Moles and Elizabeth Moles died in 1894 in Floyd Co
and their death record indicates age 82 (hence born 1812) but both are listed
as “parents unknown” though almost all the other death records on the same page
lists parents names.
**
Attached is the actual entry for Elizabeth
Trout asking for John Grizzle to be her guardian. The date on the entry was
1/6/1829. Elizabeth and William Grizzle's first
child, Sarah Jane Grizzle was born
11/1829 in
Also, I just noticed that William and
Elizabeth's 2nd child was named Elizabeth C. Grizzle. I bet the C.
stands for Catherine after
Especially since William's mother was named
Sarah and that was their first child's name. It looks like they named the girls
after William and
Becky Griswold
>
> Law Book 9 Page 96:
>
>
>
> 1829
>
> Present Larkin Herndon, absent Robert
Fugate gent justices.
> Trout an infant, and
orphan of Katherine Trout decd., being of the age
> of 14 years,
and upwards came into court and made choice of John
> Grizzle for her guardian, which choice
the court approves of, and
> thereupon the
said John Grizzle with William Grizzle his security
> entered into and acknowledged a bond
according to law in the sum on
> One Hundred dollars.
>
>
**
Okay Everyone,
I have attached the picture of the law book
entry for William and Lewis "Trout" ordered to be bound out. It
definitely says Barbara Trout, deceased. The date for the entry was 8/3/1824.
If Catherine Trout died on 5/12/1824, this was only 3 months later that these
boys were bound out.
As far as I can see there was only one
Barbara Trout in Russell Co. at that time. I really believe that the name was
recorded wrong and that the deceased person was Catherine Trout.
I guess it is possible that they really WERE
Barbara's children, but Barbara was not even living with Catherine in 1813 and
1814 when the boys would have been conceived. On 10/6/1812, Henry Dickinson was
appointed guardian of all 5 Trout children. Then on 6/6/1815, Edward Campbell
was appointed guardian of all 5 Trout children. So since Catherine was living
next to James G. Todd in 1813 & 1814 it is more likely that she is the
mother of William and Lewis.
The other picture is of an entry dated
7/4/1815 for a Betsy Todd who was ordered bound out because she was poor. I am
thinking this is Elizabeth Trout/Todd, daughter of Catherine Trout, who married
William Grizzle. So in 1815 Catherine had two baby boys and 2 or 3 year old
illegitimate children. Remember Lucy
didn't move out on her own until 1824.
Becky Griswold
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Anyone know who this John Todd is who was the
"bastard" child of Elizabeth Todd? This record was
dated 9/3/1839. I don't know who either of these are.
There was a Thomas Todd who married Elizabeth Edmiston
in
be her. But this family seems to be living in
Rockcastle Co., KY in 1850 minus mother, Elizabeth.
This child, John Todd, kept being bound out to James
Shoemaker and then returned to the custody of his
mother, Elizabeth.
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John Todd was apparently bound out to James
Shoemaker before 8/8/1837 (I didn't find that record) because on that date the
binding out of John was cancelled and he was he was returned to his mother.
Then on 9/3/1939 John Todd was again bound out the James Shoemaker and later
that day the binding out was ordered rescinded and he was once again returned
to the custody of his mother.
I checked online for more explanation of
binding out.
And yes, courts did bind out toddlers, but
usually it was because they were poor and they were given to someone else to
take care of, not necessarily to be apprenticed. This is basically what we call
today a Foster Child.
I don't know who these children were bound out to but I can look at the Chancery books the next time I go to the VA Archives to see if it lists this info.